Help With Two More Micros Please

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barnacal
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Help With Two More Micros Please

Post by barnacal »

Help With Two More Micros Please:

Both in my Robinson in Burton this morning.

Thanks,
Barry

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SteveH
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Re: Help With Two More Micros Please

Post by SteveH »

Hi Barry,

Yes, I think you are two for two there.

Cheers,
Steve

melbellingham
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Re: Help With Two More Micros Please

Post by melbellingham »

Hi Barry,

Having now photographed your moth and had a good look at it, I think your first moth might be Pseudatemelia flavifrontella.

According to 'Manley' it is Scarce and there is only 1 previous county record according to my Mapmate database, so I could be wrong. Verification code is 2, so a good image would probably be sufficient, but I will hold on to the moth, until someone else either agrees or disagrees with me.

Pseudatemelia flavifrontella - your moth, my image.
Pseudatemelia flavifrontella - your moth, my image.
Mel.

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stevehind
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Re: Help With Two More Micros Please

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Pseudatemelia flavifrontella and Pseudatemelia josephinae cannot be distinguished by wing pattern.

Pseudatemelia flavifrontella has the abdomen coloured ochreous dorsally, whereas the abdomen is fuscous, with a paler anal tuft on Pseudatemelia josephinaehas. Reliable separation can only be made by examining the genitalia. per MOGBI Vol. 4 p.103.

The NMRS guidelines have these as grade 2 but with comments:
Pseudatemelia flavifrontella - Or grade 4 if after mid-June
Pseudatemelia josephinae - Or grade 4 if before mid-June.

The 19th century record of Pseudatemelia flavifrontella is not mapped in MOGBI, so there may have been some doubt about it.

It would be well worth having this dissected, as it would then confirm Pseudatemelia flavifrontella as being a Cheshire moth.

Regards,
Steve

melbellingham
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Re: Help With Two More Micros Please

Post by melbellingham »

An update to this post is now possible as the moth in doubt has now been dissected.

Mike Dale dissected the moth, which proved to be a male Pseudatemelia flavifrontella. A species that has only been recorded once before in Cheshire, in 1887.

Mel.

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