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Id help please

PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2019 1:38 pm
by green_heath
id2.jpg
Only have shot from above. Not well-placed for a side shot!
Looked through books twice for no.1 - it looks obvious but cannot find it!
Heather and Les

Re: Id help please

PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2019 1:46 pm
by Greg
Hi Heather and Les,

Your second picture is of a Small Fan-footed Wave.

Regards
Greg

Re: Id help please

PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2019 1:56 pm
by JulianB
Hi - I'd have a look at Single-dotted Wave as well.

I'll pass on the micro!

Thanks, Julian

Re: Id help please

PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2019 4:18 pm
by Greg
Why?

Re: Id help please

PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:27 pm
by JulianB
They are similar - here's a link to a handy comparison:

http://www.eakringbirds.com/eakringbirds4/wavemothidsmallfanfootedsingledotted.htm

The dark patch on the abdomen seems to be important.

We had one a week or so back, which we ID'd as a Single-dotted Wave too. I've attached a copy so others can confirm them both.

Thanks, Julian

Re: Id help please

PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:50 am
by green_heath
Thanks both for your discussion - I think you are right with the Single-dotted Wave. It seems confusing with having more large dark dots.
Regards
Heather

Re: Id help please

PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:55 am
by SteveH
Nice thread gents -

Cheers,
Steve

Re: Id help please

PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:05 am
by Greg
Hi Julian

This has turned out to be a very confusing issue with me. Non of the Single-dotted Waves I've ever seen have
had the continuous dark band on the outer edge of the wing, some of the Small Fan-footed Waves have.
The Wing shape didn't look right for Single-dotted either.
BUT, the dark markings on the abdomen as pointed out on the link you mentioned
(which isn't mentioned in any of my guides) seems to be an important factor.
Makes me wonder if these two species might cross breed.
Apologies for my abrupt response to your first post, I was convinced I was right.
Thanks for the correction.
I've attached a couple of photos of the two species for comparison.

Regards
Greg

Re: Id help please

PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:11 am
by SteveH
Hi Greg,

I believe your SFFW is dark enough to be assigned the fimbriolata monika :-)

Cheers,
Steve

Re: Id help please

PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:11 pm
by stevehind
Hi Heather

The tortrix will be Notocelia trimaculana

Regards
Steve

Re: Id help please

PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:37 pm
by green_heath
Hi Steve
Thanks for the tortrix id.
Regards
Heather