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Phyllonorycter blancardella ?

Postby bobhelencoan on Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:45 am

Phyllonorycter blancardella ?

As well as Oak leaves we collected up Crab Apple leaves and they have been kept in the garage. 5 micros emerged yesterday, obviously very early for the species. Some photos below. Are theses Phyllonorycter blancardella or would they need dissecting ?

Bob & Helen

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Re: Phyllonorycter blancardella ?

Postby stevehind on Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:14 pm

I would agree that these are Phyllonorycter blancardella but reading the new guidelines, it looks as if you need to rear the apple feeding Phyllonorycters and then dissect the adults. I don't agree that these always need dissecting and this is one of a number of issues I believe need to be ironed out in the next few years.

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Re: Phyllonorycter blancardella ?

Postby stevehind on Sun Feb 19, 2017 6:04 pm

I followed up on this issue and am able to clarify the situation; the guidelines are deliberately on the cautious side and bred adults of these two can be separated but only by experienced recorders, so this record is acceptable.

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Re: Phyllonorycter blancardella ?

Postby bobhelencoan on Sat Apr 03, 2021 10:08 am

Later identification suggested the moths needed dissection for a positive identification. Over this winter we have tried to breed trough some more moths, the crab apple trees in our garden produce numerous leaf mines each year. So far we have three adults emerging so we have posted their photos below to complete the picture for this moth in our area. We have samples for dissection if that is still thought necessary.
Hope this will confirm phyllonorycter blancardella Bob & Helen
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19th Feb 2021 Phyllo 1b P1000626.JPG
19th February 2021
19 Feb 2021 P1000628.JPG
19th February 2021
18Mar2021 P1000672.JPG
18th March 2021
27Mar2021 3a P1000744.JPG
27th March 2021
27thMar 2021 Phyllo 3a P1000743.JPG
27th March 2021
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Re: Phyllonorycter blancardella ?

Postby stevehind on Sat Apr 03, 2021 6:33 pm

Hi Bob & Helen
You could have both species on your garden crab apple.
Not certain about the two on 18th & 27th March, so save those for me to check if like but the other three are Phyllonorycter blancardella.
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Re: Phyllonorycter blancardella ?

Postby bobhelencoan on Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:18 am

A bit late in recording. Steve Hind generously dissection some moth for us.
He has confirmed Phylloblancardella, 2 males from 3rd Jan and 6th March and a female that emerged 19th Feb.
At the same time he identified two male Caloptilia robustella and a male Agonopterix propinquella.
Without Steve's help knowledge of the moths that frequent our area would be much depleted. Thanks again Steve.
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